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Lightbulb Shoes shoes shoes :)

Of course, it's time for the inevitable shoe thread

What shoes do you use and why? What would you recommend to someone starting out?

At the moment, I've bought some Asics gel enduros, for about 30, which seemed pretty reasonable (from the sports shop where zavvi used to be on union street: Intersport I think) They've got good grip that comes up over the toe, look nice, and are unbelievably light. They're also well padded, and have shock absorbers in the heels so you can really feel a lot less of a jolt in your feet when you land.

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The only problem I can see with them is that the grip Is really unpredictable in all but the driest conditions. I'd recommend them to anyone who trains in the city only, and sticks to training in the spring summer on drier days.






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Alec you've got no need to be making posts about shoes at your level. -- EDIT: This wasn't meant to sound so superior, sorry

Infact at your level I would advise you forsake shoes for your training and start drilling the basics barefoot - I advise everyone to do this but thats not the point.

This will teach you the correct basic techniques incredibly fast. An example of this is landings, as landing wrong from as little as 1ft is very painful when barefoot. However when wearing shoes this impact is absorbed and you damage your joints. Learning to land properly is very important and can be learned best by training barefoot.

On top of the above benefit it will also strengthen the stabilizing muscles in your foot giving you better balance and decreasing the chance of injury in your feet/ankles.
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These 2 factors will lead to your 'flow' developing faster as your stronger and more controlled in your movements.

As a last awesome thing about being barefoot : Having your toes feel the enviroment is really nice. Your feet will be overly sensitive at first but after a few weeks of frequent barefoot training you will be fine walking on most things. Also you will quickly develop a 6th sense of being aware where things are on ground without paying any attention to it.

Would you go your whole like wearing gloves? Thought not, give barefooting a go. Not only will it help your parkour but it's good fun too.

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I can find the scientific papers later if you want to read them, but trust me there is overwhelming evidence that we should be going barefoot.

I went barefoot for a more than 50% of my life last summer and it was great - sure you get some weird looks but its worth it.

O and my current shoes are a pair of trainers I got a couple of years ago that are falling to bits
Different shoes don't make that big a difference really.

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Okay, cool
Once the grounds dried up thoroughly, I'll get outside barefoot
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Awesome

Just want to let you know, not everyone will share my view but I'm confident you will progress fastest drilling the basics for 20mins or so 3-4 times a week barefoot. This will develop controlled landing on all your techniques. After a couple of weeks doing this then you can start wearing shoes when you feel like it .Wearing shoes after barefoot training for a while gives you a serious confidence boost. If you want to totally forsake shoes in your training thats fine - i did it for a while - but you won't progress as fast as if you use a mixture.
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I really liked the fact that I could comfortably parkour -to a good level- in my barefeet. So if someone broke into my house I could run after them straight away without needing to stop and put shoes on. Not that I excpect this to happen but parkour is pretty much about the being prepared mentality.

On that note now it's getting warmer i'll need to start barefoot runs again

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I agree with scott.

A good pair of shoes seem to be widely regarded as the most important thing a traceur needs and there has been many a debate on which is superior. The thing is most of these shoes in question are rediculously expensive and in most cases un-nessasary.

All you really need is a pair of decent running shoes, obviously grip and comfort are important factors when looking but you can pick up a decent pair for 20 quid no problems.

Regarding the barefoot- oooooooh yeah! Im looking forward to getting back out and about wearing nothing on my tootsies.

If you are interested in the benefits of barefoot training but dont want to go through the process of hardening your feet check out,

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They give many of the benefits Scott mentioned without the painful process of hardening the soles of your feet.

Im definitly going to get myself a pair so i can alternate between using them and my bare feet.

The downside is they tend not to last too long if you use them to train parkour. Contact with concrete walls etc. But as you can see they are fairly cheap so that shouldnt be too much of a problem.
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I would like to disagree with some of you here.

Barefoot training will increase your sensitivity but I believe a foundation is needed before you pursue barefoot.

People in general move bad, clumsy, heavy and with bad posture. We are like this because of our immediate enviroment that we grow up in. From our footwear to our pavement's the way we are influenced to move has happened since birth.

When training in Parkour this sensitivity grows, but to take it straight to barefoot training without a foundation in training sensitivity for these basic movements can be dangerous and a step too far for most people begining there training.
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Think of building down to build up. Work from the begining, land soft and smooth. I try to vision the ground as a thin payne of glass that should I tred to hard on it, it will smash. This helps me become more sensitive.

Perhaps then begin drilling these movements with thinner shoes on, then barefoot.

It is tempting to strip all protection from ourselfs in order to transcend to away from our cotton wrapped existences toward efficient movement but these changes ought to be gradual, manageble and not too uncomfortable to you.
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Always glad for other people to give their opinions.

I hear what your saying David but I still think barefoot has more advantages.

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When training in Parkour this sensitivity grows, but to take it straight to barefoot training without a foundation in training sensitivity for these basic movements can be dangerous and a step too far for most people begining there training.
When I say basic movements I'm meaning really simple things such as - 1-2ft drops, lazy vaults, two handed vaults, very small cats. Depending on the person's strength - climbups.

The above can all be picked up very quickly, if the traceur is barefoot it will take him longer to become comfortable using these movements but purely because of the fact that they're shoes previously masked the fact they used to 'move bad, clumsy, heavy and with bad posture.' Drops from this height will be uncomfortable the first few times due to a bad technique but your body will learn quickly whats needed to land properly. Then the traceur will develop these movements. Learning them correctly the first time.

Compared with a traceur who starts with shoes. He quickly manages the basics listed above, doesn't have the bio-mechanical feedback the barefooter does and thinks that his landing is good - when in reality it's placing undue strain on the ankles and knees. He then feels he has mastered these and will move on to the next thing, then the next. His confidence grows and as his landings don't limit what he should be able to do he will try bigger and bigger things. His shoes absord the impact that his feet would feel however his joints still get stressed during these 'landings'

Then after a year+ or so of this he is likely to get a injury or develop joint pains and realise his mistake. Lifelong joint problems can be developed through repeated bad landings. A backoff period will occour with a emphasis on relearning the basics making sure they are controlled, with good landings. At this point he has to unlearn his ingrained mistakes, and step way back from the skill level he was at.



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These changes ought to be gradual, manageble and not too uncomfortable to you.

Continuing with my example above. The barefooter starts off slower than the shod traceur,
However he learns things correctly the first time round.

His progression is gradual, he will spend more time on each movement.
It's manageble as I suggested 3-4 20min blocks throught the week. Due to the low intensity of the movements being practiced this will hardy effect the skin.
It's also comfortable - As I said above correct technique is learned very quickly this way.

After a week or 2 of barefooting the traceur will develop a better understanding of landing - that will stay with him as he develops.
Furthermore he will learn quickly that parkour isn't about doing big thing after big thing, but mastering all the little things.

These skills will be kept when the traceur then begins training with shoes on. He can then safely take advantage of the newbie gains.
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I've warmed to your points a bit Scott but also believe still in some of mine. I think it has too much to do with the indivual to draw a clear conclusion.
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I've warmed to your points a bit Scott but also believe still in some of mine. I think it has too much to do with the indivual to draw a clear conclusion.


Yeh, we going to agree to disagree. I can see where your coming from aswell.

As you said it's down to the individual. Long term both methods will work.
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